The Point: Doughnut Anger the Mob

When did bakeries become so controversial? For the Colson Center, I’m John Stonestreet with The Point.

I’m not gonna sugar coat it, there’s a witch hunt going on. Apparently, dessert shops are the main target. Just as the Supreme Court was wrapping up oral arguments in the case of Jack Phillips and his Masterpiece Cake Shop, a popular doughnut shop in Portland, Maine came under attack for spreading Christmas cheer.

Owners of The Holy Donut worked with the Salvation Army to bring gifts to a local family with five children. Then, as Fox News reports, an online mob stormed the shop’s Facebook page for allegedly supporting discrimination against LGBT folks. Angry commenters threatened boycotts and protests unless the shop distanced itself from the Salvation Army which these commenters claimed is anti-gay.

Eventually, the owners of the Holy Donut issued a public apology.

This vocal and powerful movement to destroy anyone not loudly supporting the new sexual orthodoxy is a terrible thing. Pray for a Supreme Court win for Jack Phillips, but also that Christians will remain courageous in living according to their faith, even when under attack.

 


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  • Scott

    Sorry, I’ve distanced myself from mainstream media a bit… why is the Salvation Army considered anti-gay? I know they’re religious affiliation has roots in the Protestant church, but is this based on some recent events or were the people boycotting simply because of the Salvation Army’s religious position?

    • Phoenix1977

      There have been a few incidences in recent past where the Salvation Army demanded someone would undergo reparative therapy or take a vow of abstinence in order to receive aid from the Salvation Army. I recall one case of a homeless teen who was sent away by the Salvation Army because he refused to deny he was gay, the exact reason why he was on the streets in the first place after his parents kicked him out.
      In Europe that is especially a problem since the Salvation Army receives government funding (either directly or indirectly) which requires them to give aid to whomever comes to them without conditions attached.

      • Scott

        Thanks! I haven’t heard these stories? Is there a recent article?

        • Phoenix1977

          Not to my knowledge. This is purely from memory. I cannot even tell you when these cases happened, except for the homeless teen case. That happened in January 2015 in The Hague, the Netherlands.

          • Scott

            I didn’t even know the Salvation Army was in the Netherlands. : – )

          • Phoenix1977

            Just as I didn’t know they had a religious foundation. At least, until I encountered a homeless teen with hypothermia in my ward.

  • Brian Channel

    the moral insanity of the left knows no bounds

  • Just One Voice

    Wow, talk about taking a simple act of kindness and flipping it inside out and upside down. Simply pathetic.

    John 15:18-19 “If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.”

    • Scott

      +1 for the scripture.

      1 Peter 4:12-14 “Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. But rejoice insofar as you share Christ’s sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed. If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you.”

  • Phoenix1977

    “I’m not gonna sugar coat it, there’s a witch hunt going on.”
    And if there is one thing religious / social conservatives know it is a good witch hunt. Whether it was actual witches in Salem, communists in the 1950 or harrassing LGBTs in the 1960s/1970s, religious and social conservatives were there to either participate or to lead the witch hunt themselves.
    Hurts, doesn’t it? It’s no fun being on the receiving end of that stick, is it?

    • Daniel

      Hurt, yes but not the way in which you must think. We rejoice and are glad in times of persecution because great will our reward be in heaven. However, we also mourn because of sin and its consequences, especially for those who are not covered by the lambs blood.

      • Phoenix1977

        I’d wish you mourned those of us who have been the victims of your religious brothers and sisters.

    • Scott

      It is painful watching so many others drown from inside the lifeboat. Knowing every time you throw them a line, they will just push it away.

      • Phoenix1977

        Not nearly as painful as the demands the occupants of that life boat give you in order to be deemed worthy to be saved in the first place.

        • Scott

          In my metaphor, the people in the boat demand nothing. They are in the boat because they have accepted Christ into their hearts. The lifeline offered is that very same acceptance through His word in the Bible. The people in the boat can only help you into the boat (helping you towards accepting Jesus into your heart). The only way into the boat is by accepting Christ. You are not in the boat if you do not want to help others get into the boat. The only way the people in the boat can help those drowning is through Christ’s love (as He tells us in the NT). Anything that does not measure up to this is a sin and hinders those outside the boat from getting in. God wants all His people in the boat.



          Incidentally, none of us are worthy of salvation. I have said this before: Righteousness is not ours inherently, rather it comes by faith in Christ (it comes as part of the lifeline).

          Romans 3:10 “As it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one;”

          Romans 1:7 “For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith, as it is written, ‘The righteous shall live by faith.'”

          1 Corinthians 1:30 “And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption,”

          • Phoenix1977

            “In my metaphor, the people in the boat demand nothing.”
            Nice theory but we both know reality is different. The people in that boat demand you talk like them, act like them, dress like them, eat like them, drink like them, believe like them, love like them, hate like them, etc. In short, they demand you be like them, or else … And we have gone through what that “or else” means and how much people have suffered from that “or else” in (recent) history by the hands of Christians.
            So I’m not interested in life boats or life lines or whatever. When it comes to Christians all I’m interested about is making sure they can never hurt me or anyone I care about again.

          • Scott

            You may call it theory… but that is how it works and I do my best to live it. I merely cast the line demanding nothing in return. I only offer help if I am asked and there is no “or else.”

            We Christians let the creator of the universe make the rules (perhaps these might be what you call demands?) and then do our best to follow them… I think a Christian is best identified by their repentance. We are all sinners, the difference is Christians recognize their sin and earnestly repent which includes seeking change within ourselves.

          • Phoenix1977

            “but that is how it works”
            Like I said, that’s not how it works and we discussed that countless times already.

            “We Christians let the creator of the universe make the rules and then do our best to follow them…”
            And that best is not very good, is it? For example, Matthew 7, verse 1-2: ““Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”
            And yet, we non-Christians have experienced (and still experience) one hell of a lot of judgement from Christians on a daily basis.

            Another example, Leviticus 19, verse 18: “Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.”
            Now I can literally show you the scars, both physically and emotionally, from that “love”, which I am quite sure no one would ever want for themselves.

            And, last but certainly never least, Leviticus 20, verse 13. The one verse we gay men and women always get to listen to wherever we go and encounter Christians. Unfortunately, Christians have the tendency to forget pretty much all other chapters and verses from Leviticus, which pretty much all are punishable by death as well. Or did you attend a public stoning of someone eating shellfish or wearing clothes made of more than one material recently?

            “perhaps these might be what you call demands?”
            No, I was talking about the demands made by Christians. I don’t consider rules “made” by an imaginary figure demands.

            “We are all sinners, the difference is Christians recognize their sin and earnestly repent which includes seeking change within ourselves.”
            Like i said before, keep seeking that change in yourselves and leave the rest of the world alone. Christians have more than enough work in bettering themselves without interfering in other people’s lives.

          • Scott

            “Like I said, that’s not how it works and we discussed that countless times already.”

            Look, I didn’t inflict your wounds and I am truly sorry about them. I can neither erase them nor repent for them because I took no part in them. I can try to help you heal from them, but you won’t let me. So let’s keep this conversation about the way I (and the people around me) practice Christianity. And not those who violently afflicted you… or would you line me up with them and stone me too? I am offering a different Christian experience to you right now.

            
”And that best is not very good, is it? For example, Matthew 7, verse 1-2: ““Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”

            Thank you for the scripture, you know I love it!

            
”And yet, we non-Christians have experienced (and still experience) one hell of a lot of judgement from Christians on a daily basis.”

            Have I judged you? Have I not let the creator of the universe make the rules and then done my best to follow them?

            “Another example, Leviticus 19, verse 18: “Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.”
Now I can literally show you the scars, both physically and emotionally, from that “love”, which I am quite sure no one would ever want for themselves.”

            Were those wounds inflicted by me or any of my Christian friends (those I know personally)?

            “And, last but certainly never least, Leviticus 20, verse 13. The one verse we gay men and women always get to listen to wherever we go and encounter Christians. Unfortunately, Christians have the tendency to forget pretty much all other chapters and verses from Leviticus, which pretty much all are punishable by death as well. Or did you attend a public stoning of someone eating shellfish or wearing clothes made of more than one material recently?”

            Again, is this a charge I’m guilty of?

            
”No, I was talking about the demands made by Christians. I don’t consider rules “made” by an imaginary figure demands.”

            Again, what have I demanded from you?

            “Like i said before, keep seeking that change in yourselves and leave the rest of the world alone. Christians have more than enough work in bettering themselves without interfering in other people’s lives.”

            You came to Breakpoint. You opened the door by “interfering” in our lives. Despite your anger towards Christians, I have not met your anger with more anger. Instead I have treated you with respect and grace. This is an experience you are encountering with a Christian right now… and it deserves at least some mention. I am not the only Christian on this site who has been respectful either and there are many more Christians that I know personally (who don’t post on Breakpoint) that are just like me. What if I came to an LGBT website and started posting the gospel as you have come to us preaching against it? Would I be met by someone that would treat me as graciously as I have treated you? I can only offer evidence of God’s grace and mercy as I have it in my own heart.

            We didn’t seek you out, you came to us. I personally am grateful for you and would try to show you the love of Christ if you let me. I know others would do the same. If you ever visited my home town I would invite you to my church and show you others just like me. We would even buy you dinner and show you hospitality. If you read Rosaria Butterfield’s books you would know that other Christians are out there doing the same. We throw the life line and demand nothing. The gospel is the life line and Christians (like me) can only offer it to those who do not believe.

          • Phoenix1977

            “I can try to help you heal from them”
            You know, this is the third time I started writing a reply to your comment and I’m still not sure if I need to feel angry for your arrogance, endeared for your optimism or sad that you don’t get it. At the moment sadness is the main emotion.
            You truly believe you can help me heal but you can’t. There needs to be trust in order for you to help me heal and there is none from my side. I would have to allow you to get close to me and the truth is I trust no Christian to get that close to me ever again. And that’s not your fault but it is my damage which will never go away again.

            “Were those wounds inflicted by me or any of my Christian friends (those I know personally)?”
            How would I know whether or not you know any of my tormentors personally? How would I know you were not one of them? And how would I ever be sure you would not become one in the future?
            The best way to make sure you could never hurt me is to keep you at arm’s length.

            “What if I came to an LGBT website and started posting the gospel as you have come to us preaching against it? Would I be met by someone that would treat me as graciously as I have treated you?”
            You would be laughed away, on a good day. On a bad one …

            “The gospel is the life line and Christians (like me) can only offer it to those who do not believe.”
            Too bad those offered are most of the time not those interested.

          • Scott

            “You know, this is the third time I started writing a reply to your comment and I’m still not sure if I need to feel angry for your arrogance, endeared for your optimism or sad that you don’t get it. At the moment sadness is the main emotion.”

            I can assure you its not arrogance. : – )

            “You truly believe you can help me heal but you can’t.”

            Maybe not… but you have left out a very important word. I said “try” to help you heal. The only way a person can help another person heal is if there is trust between those two people. The only possible way for me to earn your trust is by treating you with respect and affirming your worth as a human being through our online conversation. By offering you an experience with a Christian that is opposite of what you have experienced in the past. All this of course may be accepted or rejected and that is not for me to decide… so yes, I can do nothing without your participation. I can only try.

            Also to be clear, by heal I mean reconcile your unhealthy hatred for all Christians. Such anger and hatred for anything is unhealthy.

            “There needs to be trust in order for you to help me heal and there is none from my side. I would have to allow you to get close to me and the truth is I trust no Christian to get that close to me ever again. And that’s not your fault but it is my damage which will never go away again.”

            Yes, I can only try to give you a reason to trust me.

            “How would I know whether or not you know any of my tormentors personally? How would I know you were not one of them? And how would I ever be sure you would not become one in the future?”

            Well, I’ve never been to the Netherlands and until our conversation began on Breakpoint, I hadn’t met any one from there either… but somehow I think you knew the answers to your first two questions.

            It is true that you would have no way of knowing whether or not I will become a future tormentor. You probably consider me a tormentor now. : – ) But this is as bad as I get… and all I have to offer in my defense is my track record through our conversations.

          • Phoenix1977

            “by heal I mean reconcile your unhealthy hatred for all Christians. Such anger and hatred for anything is unhealthy.”
            Anger, definitely. Hatred, no. It’s distrust. People learn from previous experiences and my previous experiences taught me not to trust Christians, no matter how nice they might appear.

            “but somehow I think you knew the answers to your first two questions.”
            Somehow I thought you would understand those questions were rhetorical 🙂

            “You probably consider me a tormentor now. : – )”
            Don’t flatter yourself 🙂

            “But this is as bad as I get… and all I have to offer in my defense is my track record through our conversations.”
            But that’s part of my problem. I never expected my neighbor to try and break down my door because he accused me of turning his son gay. And I never expected my classmate’s mother to drive him to suicide for being gay. And I never expected those nice old ladies a few blocks further to throw eggs at me and my ex for walking hand in hand. They all were very nice people. Until they showed they were not.

          • Scott

            “Anger, definitely. Hatred, no. It’s distrust. People learn from previous experiences and my previous experiences taught me not to trust Christians, no matter how nice they might appear.”

            This is understandable… I can only hope that just because we disagree, it doesn’t mean we must do so angrily.

            “Somehow I thought you would understand those questions were rhetorical :-)”

            “How would I know whether or not you know any of my tormentors personally? How would I know you were not one of them? And how would I ever be sure you would not become one in the future?”

            These questions didn’t sound rhetorical?.. but if they were, my mistake.

            “Don’t flatter yourself :-)”

            Okay, I certainly do not wish to make a habit of that! But I’m not sure when tormenting someone became worthy of flattery? : – )

            
”But that’s part of my problem. I never expected my neighbor to try and break down my door because he accused me of turning his son gay. And I never expected my classmate’s mother to drive him to suicide for being gay. And I never expected those nice old ladies a few blocks further to throw eggs at me and my ex for walking hand in hand. They all were very nice people. Until they showed they were not.”

            Fair enough… I can only try to earn trust by staying true to my word. I have no control over other people and your experiences with them. All those experiences seem so extreme… I have never witnessed anything like what you describe and I have known more than a few LGBTs. The LGBTs I have known may have experienced similar things to what you describe, but not around me.

            Curious though… What on earth was your neighbor’s rationale when he accused you of turning his son gay?

            Egged by old ladies?.. Wow! I’ve never heard of anything like that. People seem different over there. Crazy!

          • Phoenix1977

            “I can only hope that just because we disagree, it doesn’t mean we must do so angrily.”
            I try, but I find my anger to be stronger than expected sometimes.

            “The LGBTs I have known may have experienced similar things to what you describe, but not around me.”
            Perhaps you should ask them. But be prepared for not liking the answer.

            “What on earth was your neighbor’s rationale when he accused you of turning his son gay?”
            Since quite a few Christians still think being gay is a choice my neighbor was under the impression we “seduced” his son to our “deviant lifestyle” (his words when he had to answer for his actions in court, after trying to break down our door and sending his son to the ER with a broken arm and a concussion for trying to beat the gayness out of him). But those were his answers after being coached by his lawyers, so who knows what his true thoughts were at that time?

            “Egged by old ladies?.. Wow! I’ve never heard of anything like that. People seem different over there. Crazy!”
            My ex and me had a habbit of taking a nice walk on Sundays if both of us didn’t have to work and the weather was nice. Our way of spending time together and slowing down a little after working 60+ hours a week. Apparently, the people visiting the Catholic church a few blocks from our house took offense for us walking there on Sunday and putting our sexuality on display by walking there hand in hand. So they decided to do something about it and threw eggs at us. Unfortunately for them (and probably unknown to them), egging someone is equal to assault under Dutch law and assaulting a gay couple is automatically a hate crime with a minimum prison sentence of 2 years without chance for parole. Still, we never dared walking hand in hand again in our own neighborhood after that.

          • Scott

            “my neighbor was under the impression we ‘seduced’ his son to our ‘deviant lifestyle'”

            I assume you (or a friend of yours) was not in any kind of a relationship with his son?.. Only reason I ask is parents can be very “protective” of their children. I have heard stories of fathers attacking older guys who were dating their daughter and then turning their anger against their daughter when they found out that it was consensual. Also I’m not saying any of that warrants violence, just curious.

            “sending his son to the ER with a broken arm and a concussion for trying to beat the gayness out of him…”

            That is tragic.

            “Unfortunately for them (and probably unknown to them), egging someone is equal to assault under Dutch law and assaulting a gay couple is automatically a hate crime with a minimum prison sentence of 2 years without chance for parole.”

            Yeah… I know eggs can do damage when thrown hard enough. When I was in high school I played football (the american version : – ). After home games on Friday night all of us kids would gather at a local pizza joint and hang out until about 10:30-11 PM. One such night we had just beat one of our rivals pretty good and were celebrating with our friends in the parking lot outside of said pizza joint. Several kids from the other (rival) school drove by throwing eggs at us. One egg hit a girl I was standing next to in the face, knocked her out and broke her nose. I think she ended up with a concussion. All of us were young and stupid so several of us football players jumped in a friends truck and went after the eggers…

            This is something I could see a teenager doing (not excusing it)… but old ladies? Wow.

          • Phoenix1977

            “I assume you (or a friend of yours) was not in any kind of a relationship with his son?.. Only reason I ask is parents can be very “protective” of their children.”
            No, I don’t do minors. I like men, not boys. Although I did promise him a safe haven should his father ever turn violent (since I did know the boy was gay and I did know his father would not aprove).

            “That is tragic.”
            And unfortunately all too common for LGBT teens.

            “All of us were young and stupid so several of us football players jumped in a friends truck and went after the eggers…”
            Apparently old Catholic ladies can be stupid too. I hope “teaching us a lesson” was worth spending 2 years in jail for.

          • Scott

            “No, I don’t do minors. I like men, not boys.”

            Sorry… I didn’t mean to insinuate anything. His age wasn’t mentioned so I wasn’t sure how old he was.

            “Apparently old Catholic ladies can be stupid too. I hope “teaching us a lesson” was worth spending 2 years in jail for.”

            Was the lesson how to clean egg off your clothes? : – ) Because it certainly wasn’t showing the love of Christ.

          • Phoenix1977

            “I didn’t mean to insinuate anything. His age wasn’t mentioned so I wasn’t sure how old he was.”
            Never thought you did. Just wanted to make it clear beyond a doubt. He was 17 years old at that time. Well within the legal age limit (as an adult you can have a sexual relationship with anyone from the age of 16 in the Netherlands) but still way too young for me since I was 36 then.

            “Was the lesson how to clean egg off your clothes? : – ) Because it certainly wasn’t showing the love of Christ.”
            They were shouting: “This will teach you flaunting your unnatural lifestyle!” while throwing those eggs, so …

  • Trooper Johnson

    The very thing they do not want to happen to them, them enforce on others.