Richards resigns from Planned Parenthood, Americans want abortion restrictions, vulnerable pro-choice senators targeted, and LGBTQ acceptance declines

Signs and Wonders

Planned Parenthood Loses Head. Cecile Richards has resigned as president of Planned Parenthood, the nation’s largest abortion provider. The organization has long been a target of pro-life activism, but the scrutiny increased in 2015, when David Daleiden and the Center for Medical Progress released undercover videos tying the organization to the fetal tissue industry. The FBI is now investigating. (You can read and listen to my 2015 interview with Daleiden here.) In a statement, Penny Nance, the president of Concerned Women for America, said, “Under the leadership of Cecile Richards, Planned Parenthood has grown to push one agenda—abortion above all else—while throwing aside any inkling of actual medical care. If Planned Parenthood is serious about standing up for the women they claim to represent, they will hire someone who understands medicine and understands the facts that abortion does not help women but only inflicts harm and destruction.”

Americans Want Abortion Restrictions. A poll released in January by the Marist Institute for Public Opinion and the Knights of Columbus found 76 percent of Americans, including 60 percent of those self-identifying as “pro-choice,” support at least some abortion restrictions. About 60 percent oppose using tax dollars to pay for abortion, including the majority of independents and 43 percent of Democrats. It also found 56 percent of Americans believe abortion is morally wrong, and 52 percent believe that having an abortion does more harm than good in a woman’s life, in the long run.

Senators Now on Record. On Monday the Senate failed to pass a bill that would have banned abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy. The procedural vote fell significantly short of the 60 votes needed to advance the bill. However, the bill did put on record a number of pro-abort Democrats who must run for re-election in pro-life states. The Susan B. Anthony List, a pro-life group, immediately released a statement targeting “vulnerable Democrats who voted against the legislation include: Sens. Sherrod Brown (Ohio), Claire McCaskill (Missouri), Heidi Heitkamp (North Dakota), and Jon Tester (Montana).” Mallory Quigley, communications director of the SBA List, said, “As the polling noted below makes clear, their votes against this compassionate, consensus legislation put these Senators dramatically out of step with their constituents and the pro-life American majority.”

Shifting Pendulum? A new study released by the pro-gay group GLAAD found a “significant decline in overall comfort and acceptance of LGBTQ people.” According to Yahoo News, “This marks the first time in this particular study’s four-year history that the numbers have declined.” Harris Insights and Analytics conducted the online poll. It found that in “every single situation” the acceptance fell from the previous year. Three areas where discomfort showed a “significant increase” were “learning a family member is LGBTQ,” “learning my child’s teacher is LGBTQ,” and “learning my doctor is LGBTQ.”

Milestones. Poet Robert Frost died this week (Jan. 29) in 1963…. Later this week (Feb. 4) is the birthday of theologian and martyr Dietrich Bonhoeffer….

 

 

Image: Wikicommons, “Cecile Richards”


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  • Todd S

    Lets take some of this on because there is a lot of nonsense buried in here.

    First, the FBI isn’t investigating Planned Parenthood and the fetal tissue ‘industry’. It isn’t an industry, for starters. Second, the ones that were investigated were Daleidin who faced charges in 2016 and turned himself in. Note the interview mentioned here was done in 2015 and makes no mention of the charges brought against him. He faced a felony charge of tampering with government records by making a fake driver’s license and emailing. There was also a misdemeanor for emailing an offer to buy fetal tissue. The misdemeanor was dropped due to an error in the indictment and the judge dismissed the felony at the request of the ADA. He then faced 15 felony charges in California. There are additional details between dismissals and refilings but it eventually lead to a case being made for a trial. Daleiden then faced contempt of court charges when against a filed injuction, Daleiden’s attorney published illegally videos on his website and the attorneys were found guilty.

    And FYI, 11 investigations by many different states have cleared PP of any wrongdoing. But hey, lets not let facts get in the way. Lets move onto the poll.

    Looking at the poll, I am not sure I see much to say here. Basically it comes down to saying that Americans are okay with the current laws that govern abortions, so I am not sure what the big deal really is by bringing it up. It goes on to basically level warnings on the senators who voted against the recent bill. One, the polling doesn’t break it down by state. Two, so what? Sometimes legislators have to make a stand. Look at the example of Austrailia where you had conservatives putting forth gun restrictions against the desires of their voters. They lost their seats but the legislation passed and now they have gun laws and it solved the issue they faced.

    The last part of this is most troublesome showing a shift in LGBTQ people. I won’t say why this is happening but this is showing a shift of not caring about equal rights for everyone. That is something all people should be concerned about.

    But back to the abortion part. Here is the thing. You can try to make all the laws you want to stop the procedure but, and this is the most important part I want to emphasize, IT WILL NOT END ABORTION! It never has and it never will. You can ban the procedure, punish doctors who perform one out of compassion for their patients, but you will never stop a woman from deciding what to do. That is why it makes no sense to punish the doctors for performing the procedure without punishing the woman who, of her own free will, agreed to it. So unless someone tries to put forth laws that punishes women for having or trying to have one, it will never come close to ending abortion. Good luck with those laws.

    • gladys1071

      i agree with you, you cannot force women to stay pregnant if they don’t want to be. This idea of forcing women to remain pregnant against her will will never prevail.

      • Bonnie Klaassen

        You cannot force anyone to do >anything< morally good. They will do it if they want to, and they will not do it if they want to. But government and law are here to keep order, protect the innocent, and prosecute criminals. Nobody can stop you from doing something wrong, but that doesn't mean anyone has to support you in doing that wrong, either, including the government and the law.

      • Scott

        …And the idea of killing an innocent human being should?

        • gladys1071

          their is NO such thing as a “right to life” that requires gestation inside another person’s body, life is a gift not a right.

          a woman’s body is her own and since it is HER body doing the gestating, she gets to decide.

          I know this concept seems barbaric and heartless, but since the embryo or fetus cannot live without a host body, it is subject to the will of the person doing the gestating.

        • gladys1071

          What part of you cannot force someone to be a host or incubator do you not understand?

    • Scott

      Laws outlawing murder haven’t stopped people from committing it either? Does that mean it should be legal? Abortion is murder.

      • Todd S

        So then you would be okay with arresting women for trying to, or having an abortion then? Or what about if they miscarry and get arrested because they are suspected of causing the miscarriage?

        • Scott

          “So then you would be okay with arresting women for trying to, or having an abortion then?”

          And what about a two-year-old? Should we arrest a parent for beating their two-year-old to death? Is the child in the womb any less human? Modern science would tell us no.

          “Or what about if they miscarry and get arrested because they are suspected of causing the miscarriage?”

          Miscarriage as a natural process is tragic and normal parents-to-be mourn the loss. If the miscarriage is somehow induced… then what makes that different from poisoning a child?

          • Todd S

            I can’t help but notice you did not answer my question. Are you willing to arrest a woman for trying to have an abortion, or for having an abortion they did themselves or not? Because if you are not, then you don’t really care about abortion and just wish to force them to have children against their will.

          • Scott

            “I can’t help but notice you did not answer my question.”

            Fair enough. I will answer your question… and now how about you? Will you answer mine? I have posed several, staring with “Does that mean it (murder) should be legal?”

            “Are you willing to arrest a woman for trying to have an abortion, or for having an abortion they did themselves or not?

            Yes… although prison time might not be the best path initially considering that the cultural mindset for the past 50 (almost) years has regarded the human embryo as something other than human. Counseling and education might be a better plan to start. Just because we can’t see the growing child inside doesn’t mean they are any less a person. I would prefer people take sex a bit more seriously and not treat the innocent lives of the unborn as if they were trash to be thrown away.

            “Because if you are not, then you don’t really care about abortion and just wish to force them to have children against their will.”

            This touches on why I believe rape should be prosecuted in the same manner as murder. Don’t misunderstand me, I do not believe rape excuses abortion, but it should be treated with the life of a potential child in mind.

            Here are a few more questions… you do not have to answer these if you so choose, but they pertain to the topic none the less. Why are people so willing to discard a life for a few minutes of pleasure? Why do we seek to please ourselves over all else no matter the consequences?.. Is self control something we are trying to eliminate completely?

          • Todd S

            “Yes… although prison time might not be the best path initially considering that the cultural mindset for the past 50 (almost) years has regarded the human embryo as something other than human. Counseling and education might be a better plan to start. Just because we can’t see the growing child inside doesn’t mean they are any less a person. I would prefer people take sex a bit more seriously and not treat the innocent lives of the unborn as if they were trash to be thrown away.”

            Good luck with that. You are turning women into baby factories for your morality based on religious dogma.

            The problem is that you are assuming they (meaning women) think of it this way. For example, a single mother of 3 likely can’t afford to be pregnant, let alone have a 5th child. It is rather presumptuous, even arrogant, to just assume she doesn’t consider what she is doing. She knows better than you. Abortion restrictions like this affect the poor at a far greater rate.

            This is what you would have to do if you want to absolutely stop abortion. You have to regulate sex. Every woman in the entire country is provided with free birth control and must take it on schedule or face jail time. They require a license be obtained for a pregnancy to be attempted so they are allowed with this license to stop taking birth control. Once they have the child, they must resume taking on birth control. There are to be no exceptions to this rule because any exception then opens the door to abortion. If want to classify a zygote as a human being, then an abortion is murder and any attempt at an abortion would be punishable as an attempted murder and any woman caught having a miscarriage must be arrested on suspicion of murder. Any woman found to have had an abortion is guilty of 1st degree murder and faces the penalty that comes with it since, after all, she is the one who chose to have one. I can’t see any other way anyone could attempt to end abortion, even though it wouldn’t completely. There will always be the desperate who try regardless of any law.

            Of course this would also lead to an increase in prison sizes and renovations as you now need room to house these female prisoners with medical facilities where you force them to give birth. Then there is their rehabilitation now that they have a felony charge to get them back into society. But I am sure this will all be worked out for a country that touts itself as being the land of the free, right?

            “Here are a few more questions… you do not have to answer these if you so choose, but they pertain to the topic none the less. Why are people so willing to discard a life for a few minutes of pleasure? Why do we seek to please ourselves over all else no matter the consequences?.. Is self control something we are trying to eliminate completely?”

            These are largely irrelevant to the point and again, presumptuous. You are assuming that they haven’t considered the consequences already. You are passing judgement on them without actually knowing the situation they are in.

          • gladys1071

            I agree with what you are saying. I find interesting the pro-lifers do not understand that people have sex for emotional connection and bonding not just for procreation. They completely disregard the emotional needs of people, sex is more than just about pleasure, it meets a physical and emotional need in bonding in a relationship.

            I don’t think pro-lifers understand the consequences of criminalizing abortion and subjecting women to being investigated for miscarriages and like you said all around criminal prosecuting for self-abortion and such. Women would defacto lose their rights to their bodies and would be considered walking incubators subject to be regulated and controlled by the state.

            I mean just look at the state trying to control people using illegal drugs, the jails are full can you imagine how it will be regulating women’s wombs and menstruation?

          • Scott

            “Good luck with that. You are turning women into baby factories for your morality based on religious dogma.”

            First of all, I am not using a religious argument. So the word “dogma” does not apply. Second, it seems to me that women have the choice as to whether or not they will get pregnant… so they (same as their partner) are equally responsible for that choice. If they don’t want to become a “baby factory,” that is easy enough to control.

            “The problem is that you are assuming they (meaning women) think of it this way. For example, a single mother of 3 likely can’t afford to be pregnant,”

            And she doesn’t have to get pregnant. She has a choice.

            “…let alone have a 5th child. It is rather presumptuous, even arrogant, to just assume she doesn’t consider what she is doing. She knows better than you. Abortion restrictions like this affect the poor at a far greater rate.”

            This makes no sense. Abortion is NOT birth control, nor should it have ever been considered as such.

          • Todd S

            “First of all, I am not using a religious argument. So the word “dogma” does not apply. Second, it seems to me that women have the choice as to whether or not they will get pregnant… so they (same as their partner) are equally responsible for that choice. If they don’t want to become a “baby factory,” that is easy enough to control.”

            No, they don’t because of how this issues affects the poor people the most. The ones that can’t afford birth control whatsoever.

            “And she doesn’t have to get pregnant. She has a choice.”

            So now you are trying to tell people whether or not to have sex. How is that working out so far?

            “This makes no sense. Abortion is NOT birth control, nor should it have ever been considered as such.”

            It is what she chooses to do when she gets pregnant and doesn’t want to be. If birth control was 100% effective and could be used in every circumstance, there would be no need for abortion at all.

          • Scott

            “This is what you would have to do if you want to absolutely stop abortion. You have to regulate sex.”

            This makes absolutely no sense.
            “Every woman in the entire country is provided with free birth control and must take it on schedule or face jail time.”

            I have been married for 20 years… we know many other married couples and NONE of them (religious or non-religious) have used abortion as a means of birth control.

            “They require a license be obtained for a pregnancy to be attempted so they are allowed with this license to stop taking birth control. Once they have the child, they must resume taking on birth control. There are to be no exceptions to this rule because any exception then opens the door to abortion. If want to classify a zygote as a human being, then an abortion is murder and any attempt at an abortion would be punishable as an attempted murder and any woman caught having a miscarriage must be arrested on suspicion of murder. Any woman found to have had an abortion is guilty of 1st degree murder and faces the penalty that comes with it since, after all, she is the one who chose to have one. I can’t see any other way anyone could attempt to end abortion, even though it wouldn’t completely. There will always be the desperate who try regardless of any law.”

            This sounds like something out of a B rate Sci-fi movie… again, none of what you say makes sense.

            If abortion is made illegal, it would be handled very differently that what you have concocted in your statement above.

          • Scott

            “Of course this would also lead to an increase in prison sizes and renovations as you now need room to house these female prisoners with medical facilities where you force them to give birth. Then there is their rehabilitation now that they have a felony charge to get them back into society.”

            You have been watching far too many movies… The laws prior to Roe vs. Wade are much closer to reason than what you propose. I personally would start by prosecuting those performing the illegal abortions.

            “But I am sure this will all be worked out for a country that touts itself as being the land of the free, right?”

            Free? Your assuming a child in the womb is not human and does not have the right to live. Right now abortion gives some the rights of an executioner while it strips the rights of the defenseless unborn, subjecting them to a gruesome death.

          • Scott

            “These are largely irrelevant to the point and again, presumptuous. You are assuming that they haven’t considered the consequences already. You are passing judgement on them without actually knowing the situation they are in.”

            I asked YOU the question. Not “them.” I am not passing judgement on anyone. Each person and their situation is unique to them. How we define human life and the laws surrounding the protection of those lives has nothing to do with passing judgement on an individual. If we can wade through all the verbal muck, the heart of this issue is whether or not we consider the life inside the womb to be a legitimate human being or not… what is your answer to this question?

  • ElrondPA

    Do you think the declining acceptance of LGBTs has anything to do with their take no prisoners, sore winner attitude toward those who disagree with them after their sweeping victories in the courts and academia? Maybe calling everyone who disagrees with you a “bigot” isn’t a recipe for acceptance.

  • gladys1071

    question to the moderator, why do you keep removing my posts? i am trying to have a discussion and you keep removing them?

    • Timothy D Padgett

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