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Discourse #34: Chuck Colson and Mark Steyn By: Chuck Colson|Published: September 28, 2011 12:00 AM Rating: 5.00 Chuck Colson interviews Mark Steyn about his latest, After America: Get Ready for Armageddon. Listen Now | Download (You can also listen to this podcast on our YouTube channel. Just click here.)The Western World is in trouble, and the only way to save it is from the ground up. As Mark Steyn points out in this special interview with BreakPoint founder Chuck Colson, our government can't save us from our own lack of ethics and personal responsibility. In fact, he says, in such scenarios, the government often rushes into the void left by the deterioration of the family, religion and trust, leaving us with either tyranny, or an unsustainable nanny state. Pointing to the sad cases of Greece, The United Kingdom and much of Europe, Steyn echoes the assessment of Prime Minister David Cameron, who blames these recent events on a "moral collapse." Steyn also offers the chilling words of pollster Pat Caddell, who argued recently that America is in a "pre-revolutionary state," citing the mobs at the Wisconsin State Fair and the recent battles in that state over collective bargaining as harbingers of worse to come. Despite these dire predictions, Steyn tries to maintain good humor. And as anyone who listens to The Rush Limbaugh Show or reads his regular column will already know, Steyn (who often fills in for Rush) has made a living bringing much-needed levity to all-too-grave circumstances. "I found it a little harder this time around to strike the balance," he admits. "My column in National Review is called "Happy Warrior," and generally, I try to maintain a cheery disposition. I think it is important to maintain the funny side if you can wear it lightly. I mean, I try not to force jokes when I'm writing about serious things, but on the other hand, there is a blackly-comical aspect to what is happening to Western Civilization." Quoting Cornelius Plantinga, Chuck notes in this interview that "sin is nothing but folly. It is denying the moral order of the world and the way the world is made. When you do that, you're just being stupid. You're coloring outside the lines, you're spitting into the wind. And of course, that's what people are doing today."As a primer to the subject, both this interview and Steyn's book offer an honest yet light-hearted assessment of the state of our civilization, how we got here, and most importantly, what we can do to get ourselves out. To read our featured except from After America, click here. You can purchase Steyn's book and find reviews on it from top conservative voices here. “Discourse,” an occasional podcast on BreakPoint, applies a Christian worldview lens to a broad range of issues related to contemporary culture. Articles on the BreakPoint website are the responsibility of the authors and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Chuck Colson or BreakPoint. Outside links are for informational purposes and do not necessarily imply endorsement of their content. |












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that "sin is nothing but folly. It is denying the moral order of the world and the way the world is made. When you do that, you're just being stupid. You're coloring outside the lines, you're spitting into the wind. And of course, that's what people are doing today."
Comments:
The first half of that century saw the triumph of the Christian West over pagan barbarism and oriental despotism in the blood-drenched theaters of World Wars I and II. The second half of the century witnessed the less bloody but equally impressive victory of the American democratic ideals of liberty and justice for all over the godless totalitarianism of Soviet communism. Many of us then thought we were home free, that we had arrived at the “end of history” (Francis Fukuyama, "The End of History and the Last Man") -- that we had fought the final “war to end wars, ” and could now look forward to a new millennium of endless peace and progress.
But as the 21st Century opens, we find we have simply come full circle, and to our horror “staring into chaos” once more, standing face to face with the starkest choice in all history. And it is not even a new choice, but the primal choice we have been facing since the dawn of history, the choice flubbed by Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden -- the choice between Good and Evil, between God and the Devil, between Christ and Antichrist.
It is not a choice we can avoid, nor is it one we can put off. It is an urgent, existential choice, a “life and death” choice; in a word, a religious choice. It is not one that can be made for pragmatic reasons, or for economic or political reasons, not even for altruistic reasons. It is a choice that must be decided on the basis of ultimate Reality: Is there a God or not? If so, what is his nature? Is he a God who “so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life?” (John 3:16) Or is he a god who so hates the world that he sends his devotees to destroy themselves in vengeful suicide missions against “unbelievers”?
Perhaps he is a god who can adapt himself to any human “lifestyle,” tolerant of any and all diversities of worship, as Oprah preaches from her megapulpit.
Or perhaps he doesn’t exist.
The god who doesn’t exist has been making a strong case for himself recently in the historical home of the Christian God, Western Europe and North America. In Europe, in fact, he has practically evicted the Christian God from his ancestral manse. And he is now making blustering threats among us here in America (Sam Harris, "Letter to a Christian Nation"; Richard Dawkins, "The God Delusion"; Christopher Hitchens, "God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything", etc.)
Because of this vicious attack from his rear, the Christian God is having a hard time defending himself and his people on the front lines of the battle being waged against him on the other side of the world, by the god who hates the world.
What is to be done?
I made some recommendations some time ago on the internet forum Renew America under the topic, “Third Party Politics: Democracy vs. Theocracy” in which I advocated a renewal of the American Puritan theocratic ideal. The response was less than enthusiastic. But I remain convinced that we will continue to fight a losing battle against the Muslim jihadists if we do not deliberately and energetically enlist the power of the Christian God in this war, which is not George Bush’s war or Barack Obama’s war, nor is it a war just for Middle East oil, or even a war for democracy. It is fundamentally a religious war. And a people or a nation who have no religion, or a religion they are unwilling to defend, will find themselves at the mercy of an enemy who have no doubts about the god in whom they believe and his power to fight on their behalf, as we are now learning to our sorrow.
If you want a quantitative measure of the decline in American commitment to the defense not only of our religion, but of our nation, you need only compare the pitiful wailing and acrimonious recriminations for a casualty list of 4,000 dead incurred in four years of fighting an enemy who killed almost as many of us in four hours on 9/11/2001, with the stoic fortitude with which we bore the news of 400,000 dead in four years of fighting after the attack on Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 1941.
--The Gospel According to Jerry: Confessions of a Fool for Christ.