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According to the Hindu Times:
Ahead of the Copenhagen meet, China on Thursday backed India’s stand that developing nations have no obligation to binding emission reduction targets and said it is ready to enhance “cooperation and coordination” between the two countries, which it termed as “victims” of climate change.

“We understand the current situation in India. We should take adaptation and mitigation measures based on our national conditions and capacity,” Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang told reporters here.

He said China is ready to strengthen “communication, coordination and cooperation” with India on climate change . . .
Two things:

  1. That being the case, why are we even having a Copenhagen summit? (It's a rhetorical question.) China is the biggest source of CO2; India is fourth and moving up. Without their participation, what is happening in Copenhagen is pure theater. That and an all-expenses paid trip to a lovely city at global taxpayers' expense.
  2. Yes, there is a paper called The Hindu and it's an excellent newspaper written in better English than most of us speak or write in. And, yes, I have gone native. Totally.

Comments:

Ok, sorry everyone.
All right, let's call a halt right there. Jason, please watch your tone. Critiques of someone's position are fine; personal criticisms are not.
I am saying Ben, that your taste for Jeremiads is wearisome and your habit of making constant complaints shows more then a little lack of gratitude.
So you're saying that if CO2 emissions are a problem, we *shouldn't* lead by example, and that America's example isn't important?
America, Ben is not a shinning beacon of Democracy and Justice because it is good with carbon emissions. America is a shinning beacon of Democracy and Justice because it protects you, keeps you prosperous, and tolerates the fact that you have a strange penchant for saying things like that over the internet which America invented.
Eh, considering America was only passed in emissions by China a few years ago, and America is supposed to be the shining beacon of democracy and justice (and everything else), it seems reasonable we should lead by example. Also we have the highest emissions per capita of any large country. China has barely more total emissions for 4x as many people.
Chuck made a similar pont in his two minute warning on Copenhagen. that even if the US cut CO2 it would not make a difference on climate change because China it the biggest emitter. The KEY POINT that is being lost in these points is that even IF CHINA AND INDIA cut CO2 "emissions" the way the IPCC wants, it STILL would have little effect on climate because CO2 is not a significant driver in climate change! As Richard Lindzen, the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Atmospheric Science at MIT stated, "One of the things the scientific community is pretty agreed on is those things [carbon caps] will have virtually no impact on climate no matter what the models say. So the question is do you spend trillions of dollars to have no impact? And that seems like a no brainer.”